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can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

I despise the way an American law is being enacted globally. The world is not a US state.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

I'm trying really really really really really hard not to hate the US. Like, really hard.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, this is not the fault of everyone in the US. Don't hate us. Hate our stinking government. Most of us do anyway.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Can I hate half of you? I'm really tempted, you know :(

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but not the half of us on the meme, right?

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Congress=/=government, you know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislators_who_support_or_oppose_SOPA/PIPA

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

I figure if they're not supporting SOPA/PIPA, they've probably done something else that irritates me. I am a bipartisan/equal opportunity hater.

Hmm. Not a person who hates bipartisanship or equal opportunity...gotta think of a better way to phrase that.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Why do individual Americans always think people saying they hate America is directed at them. It's not. It's directed at your Government or your perceived national attitudes or your foreign policy. The people are not the country. The country is a political division, nothing more.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

The people are not the country? That's like saying Germany isn't Germans. Countries are about people. Political divisions are about people.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Can't you... I don't know, vote for someone who doesn't stink? It's so depressing that the most powerful people in the world are controlled in their decisions by rich arseholes who don't have to answer to anyone but their shareholders :(

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

There's a problem with this statement. All politicians suck. There isn't a single one that "doesn't stink." The politicians that "don't stink" quickly become corrupted or don't last long. An idealist, humanitarian a politician does not make. The American people have far less control than you think.

:( I am not my government.

[(Anonymous)]

And that goes for the great majority of people in the world.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

The US has no power to dictate law outside its jurisdiction.

You can avoid US jurisdiction by not putting your illegal stuff in the US on US-based servers. If you base your illegal business partially out of the US and you live somewhere with an extradition treaty or visit a US territory, be prepared to face possible persecution.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

do you mean prosecution? or persecution? likely both, the way things are going, but one is not the other.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

"The US has no power to dictate law outside its jurisdiction"

How cute. How naïve.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

It's literally true. The US can ask/bully/cajole, and a foreign nation may bow to pressure, but the US has no legal ability to legislate in foreign jurisdictions. Sovereign states are sovereign states and are not under US legislative jurisdiction. They can give the US a rude gesture and say fuck no if they want. (And sometimes they do.)

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

It's actually not literally true, because you used the words "has no power to", and the power to bully/bribe/cajole/extort/whathaveyou is literally still a form of power. You can say it's figuratively true, in that respecting sovereignty is an ideal to which countries have to keep the appearance of doing, but it is not literally true.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

I was keeping away of this discussion because of reasons, but really?

Hell, just to stay on topic:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/how-the-us-convinced-spain-to-adopt-internet-censorship.ars

America pressures other countries into doing their bidding all of the fucking time. That's what being a superpower is all about. Or what do you think people mean when they say America is the biggest superpower in the world? That America is a shy reporter of the Daily Planet with thick glasses and a well-kept secret?

And it's *prosecution.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

See above. Exerting pressure is not jurisdiction or a legal power/right. The US cannot make law in Spain. Spain makes law in Spain.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of like saying...if I hold a gun to your baby's head and tell you I'll kill it unless you rob a bank for me, I have no power to make you rob a bank. It's your decision to rob that bank.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

Except that this is total bollocks.

Because the internet is global. That's kind of what makes it amazing. I use Google every day, and if US legislation can force Google to exclude search results, that affects me every day. It affects millions of non-US citizens every day.

So the fact that the US has no power to dictate law outside its jurisdiction, in this case, is completely and utterly irrelevant. This legislation will affect everyone.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

THIS

I don't do anything illegal on the internet. If a film, programme or track comes out that I want I wait until I can legally stream or download it. SOPA/PIPA is going to effect a lot more than illegal use of copywrite material.

The things google could be made to exclude aren't just links to illegal downloads. Tutorials on how to use the CAD system I have to use at work show copywrite material but the book for the system isn't in print any more. If google and other search providers can't show those search results I can't do my job for an international company. My job despite the fact that I don't work in the US is good for the US economy and preventing me from doing it will cost the US economy.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

So much this. As always I can't decide if US foreign policy is just inconsiderate or actually ruthless.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

The sad thing is, the USA are a federation, so the US government has probably more actual power to enact their policies around the world than in any US state. How much power does the Obama administration actually have in Texas? Yeah.

Re: can of worms, twist key to open

[(Anonymous)]

A lot. Federalism in the US got progressively softer until the early 20th century, when the power and reach of the federal government massively expanded and the autonomy of states shrunk in proportion. Congress and the federal regulatory agencies have a lot of power over individual states. A number of Supreme Court rulings, incorporation of the Articles, federal agencies, power of the purse, and largely broadened definitions of congressional power give congress wide-sweeping power to dictate law and policy in states. They have much, much more power over what goes on within the 50 states than they have over foreign governments. The US isn't a collection of largely independent sovereigns and hasn't been since the late 18th century.